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flummery ([personal profile] flummery) wrote2004-09-21 04:15 pm

Lurkers Support Me In EMAIL!

Somewhere, recently, I had been reading about how a lot of professional authors were getting sort of irate about the Amazon reviews, and the fact that anyone could post, negative or positive, and apparently, these reviews really can have an impact on sales, these days.

I think, at the time, I sort of mulled that over, in a vague way, worrying that it could have impact on a relatively new writer, in detrimental ways, but how was it really different than word of mouth?

But, just yesterday, [livejournal.com profile] elynross directed me to what appears to be a rebuttal review by Anne Rice of her latest book, Blood Canticle. I read it, and my jaw hit the table, and I had a whole lot of thoughts... one of which, initially, was that it had to be fake. And this is certainly still possible. But then I came across a link to an actual essay she'd written on her official website that... basically supported and repeated many of the same positions voiced in the rebuttal review. If that wasn't Anne Rice, someone was doing a pretty good job of channeling her.

The review can be found here, about halfway down the page.

The essay on her website can be found here.

She manages to hit upon, in these two essays, one hell of a lot of the very same arguments I see amateur (fan) writers using to justify themselves. Now, I'm not saying that writers should never explain what they were trying to achieve with their work, or stay silent when people are interested in having more information, but I am very much one of those people who go insane when a discussion of a story begins, only to have the author dive into the fray with all the reasons you didn't understand/shouldn't be criticizing her/are just plain mean! Goddamnit. The discussion is not for the author's benefit. It's not there to help the author become a better writer, or to encourage them, or boost their ego. It can do all those things, but that wasn't the point. It's there because people want to discuss what they read, or review what they read for other potential readers, or argue why a story worked, or didn't work for them. Just stay the hell out of it and let people have their discussion, unless they ask you a question directly.

Anne Rice hit every crap-ass argument I've ever seen thrown out on a list. In fact, her essays tell us that her very success has given her the leverage to engage in crappy writing all she wants, unfettered by the likes of cretinous editors, and other demons.

I just can't stop myself from commenting on her comments.


So, various sections, taken from the review, are quoted below, along with my reactions.
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First off, let me say that this is addressed only to some of you, who have posted outrageously negative comments here, and not to all. You are interrogating this text from the wrong perspective. Indeed, you aren't even reading it. You are projecting your own limitations on it

We will leap past the "You're only stupid if you disagree with me" part of this text, and go to her statement that if you can't understand what she's saying, you're not reading the story correctly.

Somewhere along the line, I had a very good English/Writing teacher who spelled it out for us like this: "The message sent is the message received."

It doesn't matter what you meant to say. If you leave someone a note to meet you at McDonald's, and they head over to Burger King, you failed. You chose the wrong words. You used the words you chose poorly. No matter what you meant those words to say, or wanted them to say, they said something else, and you'd better suck it up, look at them, and discover what it was you did wrong so next time, you can get the message through. It's not the audience's job to read your mind, or know any other context than what is in front of them, right there, on the page.

Yes, there are sloppy readers, and people who skip over things. And then there are writers who just plain fail to get their point across, and those writers should stop accusing their audience of not paying attention. If your reader walks away from your communication with a message other than what you were trying to convey, more often than not, the fault lies with the writer.

Or, alternatively? Maybe we get it just fine, and still think it sucks. Stop expecting us to have a rapturous revelation if we squint at the words harder.

And this book is most certainly written -- every word of it -- by me. If and when I can't write a book on my own, you'll know about it. And no, I have no intention of allowing any editor ever to distort, cut, or otherwise mutilate sentences that I have edited and re-edited, and organized and polished myself. I fought a great battle to achieve a status where I did not have to put up with editors making demands on me, and I will never relinquish that status. For me, novel writing is a virtuoso performance. It is not a collaborative art.

The idea that your words are so perfect, that allowing an editor to comment, or make suggestions, or change them, would somehow besmirch the purity of your vision... it boggles me. You don't always have to take the advice, but you should consider the possibility that you're not as good as you think you are.

Back to the novel itself: the character who tells the tale is my Lestat. I was with him more closely than I have ever been in this novel; his voice was as powerful for me as I've ever heard it. I experienced break through after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through his eyes. What I ask of Lestat, Lestat unfailingly gives.

Oh my god, it's the muses. The MUSES ARE SPEAKING THROUGH HER. I hate the muses. Who the fuck are these muses anyway? They never speak to *me*. Maybe these people with muses... shouldn't be quite so trusting of the voices they hear in their heads, you know?

Every word is in perfect place.

Bwahahahahahaha! Dude, there aren't even any *paragraph returns* in this damn review.

Now, if it doesn't appeal to you, fine. You don't enjoy it? Read somebody else. But your stupid arrogant assumptions about me and what I am doing are slander. And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies. I'll never challenge your democratic freedom to do so, and yes, I'm answering you, but for what it's worth, be assured of the utter contempt I feel for you, especially those of you who post anonymously (and perhaps repeatedly?) and how glad I am that this book is the last one in a series that has invited your hateful and ugly responses.

You won't have ME to pick on any more! I'm leaving, and taking my toys with me!

There are readers out there and plenty of them who cherish the individuality of each of the chronicles which you so flippantly condemn. They can and do talk circles around you. And I am warmed by their response. Their letters, the papers they write in school, our face to face exchanges on the road -- these things sustain me when I read the utter trash that you post.

Lurkers Support Me In Email.

I just about died when I saw this. How many times have I seen this stated to bolster an argument? It doesn't matter what you all say, I *know* I'm right, because of the untold support I have that none of you are privy to! There's no way you could be right, when other people disagree with you! And also, they outnumber you! (And you're STUPID!)

Good Grief.

(Tomorrow: Mercedes Lackey single handedly changes to term to: Myste Sue)

[identity profile] tygermoonfoxx.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
Found my way here from a friend's link. Ann Rice ended up being part of required reading for a science fiction class whose topic was vampirism. Her book ended up being the only one that I, an avid bibliophile, have ever shredded, burnt, and thrown away.

Years later someone encouraged me to try again with LeStat. I didn't get through an entire chapter without laughing maniacally. The first half of it reads as though it were written by a twelve year old, complete with vampire-disguised-as-rock-star-but-shh-no-one-knows-that.

I'll admit that some of her nonvampiric works are competently written (Ramese the Damned, for instance) but this chronicle should have died several books ago. I don't tend to waste my money on authors who 1) don't apparently understand that their readers as a whole are the reason they sell book and 2) can't be bothered to use an editor and put out readable materials.

She's not alone; I quit reading Piers Anthony for the same reasons, about the time he started putting extensive pissy notes at the ends of his Xanth novels about how useless the fandom was and please don't bother him, he's too busy for you but go ahead and buy the next book.
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[identity profile] kaiz.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone else has said what I'd say to the Anne Rice part of your post, but let me give you a heartfelt "AMEN" for this one: Tomorrow: Mercedes Lackey single handedly changes to term to: Myste Sue)

I simply can *NOT* believe that she wrote herself so *obviously* (Herald-Chronicler Myste? puh-leeze!) right down to physical attributes, into her latest books about Alberich. I mean, jeez woman!

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
I'm halfway through Exile's Valor and... it's sort of hard to see around right now. I didn't have that much of a problem with it in the earlier books, when it was a momentary guest walkon, but having her be a main character is really creeping me out...
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[personal profile] astolat 2004-09-22 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
what, does she adopt "Larry" as a pet nickname for Alberich?

I am so disturbed now.

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! I think I fled from Anthony before he began those, and I am... grateful. He always seemed fine for the first three books of any series, not too serious, sort of fun, adn then things would just go downhill. Fast.

Re: *snerk*

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
Er, a joke maybe? If not, a little worrying, there... Eep.

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
You're welcome! thanks!

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
This one, I have not heard of! I will take my brand new library card, and order it... online! Okay, so it's been a while since I've had a library card, for whatever reason, but man, there have been some nice changes since I last did...

I'd guess I'd assumed if you'd made it to that level (actual publication) you'd had the editors beat it out of you, but it sounds like she's got a big enough stick to fight for her right to suck.

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
You ask for logic? pfah!

/shakes head

[identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
(Here via [livejournal.com profile] cathexys)

Excellently written rant, *applauds* :o) !!

[identity profile] flummery.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
I wondered about it -- the address given in the review matches the one on her official website, but of course, anyone could have gathered the information from there. On the other hand, the website specifically says she doesn't have an email address, and that you should write to the webmaster, instead, who will relay messages.
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[identity profile] klia.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
I'd guess I'd assumed if you'd made it to that level (actual publication) you'd had the editors beat it out of you, but it sounds like she's got a big enough stick to fight for her right to suck.

You'd think, but, oh, no. Apparently, if you make it to that level (i.e. selling lots and lots of books), you're *above* being edited. I heard the same about J.K. Rowling.

[identity profile] moonykins.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
oO

...wow.

Ok, only book I've read by her so far is "Blackwood Farm", and I must admit I adored it. I really want to read the rest of the chronicles.

Now, this post made me falter a bit. I honestly had no idea she's such a... brat! Jeez. She sounds like a 13 year old Mary Sue fanfic author for christ's sake.

Am gonna try reading her other books though. We'll see how far I get :P

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
obBandReference:

They're too busy throwing things. Or being thrown, I'm not sure which.

[identity profile] volare.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Leslac was amusing. Myste is a bludgeon.

[identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't, off the top of my head, think of anyone who writes as badly, but with as much presumption.

You're restricting yourself to fiction. Try Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin or Bill O'Reilly. Better yet, don't.

(Anonymous) 2004-09-22 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"Apparently, if you make it to that level (i.e. selling lots and lots of books), you're *above* being edited. I heard the same about J.K. Rowling."

Does Rowling still use an editor? I've been wondering, as I, a sixteen year old (granted, somewhat of a grammar fanatic, but only sixteen), have been finding errors in her books. I honestly had to cross things out in POA, it was bothering me so much.

Caitie.

[identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I experienced break through after break through as I walked with him, moved with him, saw through his eyes.

I suppose this isn't the time to tell her that "breakthrough" doesn't have a space in it.

After all, she doesn't *need* editors...

[identity profile] joyeuse13.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Management has nothing over teaching a class of middle schoolers. I have had this conversation more than once:

"I don't understand what to do!"
"Did you read the directions?"
"Yes!"
"What do the directions say?"
"Well...it says to match up read the passage and answer the questions."
"So what do you think you should do?"
"I don't know!"

Please tell me this is true!

[identity profile] dakiwiboid.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
(Tomorrow: Mercedes Lackey single handedly changes to term to: Myste Sue)!
I want to read it!
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[identity profile] klia.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't read Rowling, myself, but I've heard it mentioned several times that she was allowed to forego the editing process. It would certainly account for her last two books being twice the length of earlier books in the series, wouldn't it?

[identity profile] randomblade.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
And you have used this site as if it were a public urinal to publish falsehood and lies.

When was she last in a boys bathroom? Now I really really want to see the school toilet walls which have reviews of Anne Rice scrawled on them in permanent marker.

Sorry about the smell, Amazon. We're out of urinal cakes on the Anne-Rice page.

[identity profile] anolinde.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
First of all... *squee* MAJOR icon love. Karl Urban is teh hot (especially... well, everywhere, I guess).

Second of all:

My mother often asks me this: if all your friends jump off a cliff, would you?

Of course I would. I'd have to save them.

[identity profile] anolinde.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
My cousin and her friend went through OotP and found lots of errors... I've been finding them too, but I dunno... to me they seem so few, and so far between, that I can easily overlook them.

Re: Oohhh...

[identity profile] estarcollector.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Sock it to me! *splash* Or...maybe not....

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